Mysterylights Group Message 0239

Subject: Re: (unknown)
From: "Robertson Harpsichords" <tsrobert@...>
Date: 1 Dec 2002 18:24

Mr. Adams,
Thank you for your reply.
It helps clarify the lights I saw as mostly being the result of car
headlights.
I am glad you mentioned that indeed there is a road in the area and that it
is twisty and has turns and dips this again helps explain some of what I
saw.

Is there a name for this road you mentioned?  Is it a main highway? Can you
tell me if it is hwy 67 ?  Looks like road 159 might be only a dirt road and
not enough traffic.  I wonder if the real lights are visible if one
approaches them closer road 159?
Next time I will definitely drive these roads and time the traffic, Might
even have another person stationed out counting and keeping track of the
vehicles as I film from near the visitor's center.  Also I plan to bring
higher powered binoculars and a spotting scope and a telescope to see if I
can make out double lights in the case of headlights.  Have you tried these?

You say..
"It does mean that the Marfa observations
are a mix of "real" and human activity."

Precisely!

Thanks,
TR

----- Original Message -----
From: M. Adams <electroquake@...>
To: <mysterylights@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [mysterylights] (unknown)


> Hi Ted,
>
> You have made some excellent observations, however
> there is a mundane explanation for many of them.  It
> appears you are describing the Chinati mountains 26
> miles from the Marfa Lights Viewing area.  There is a
> very twisty road that descends from the summit of this
> mountain near Shurly Ranch.  There are many cuts and
> dips along this road.  The net effect is that randomly
> spaced lights (cars) appear to descend slowly from
> left to right flashing, disappearing and reappearing
> as the car headlight angle changes and is blocked by
> the freqent dips and road cuts.  The white lights are
> car headlights descending towards the MLVA, the red
> lights are tail lights climbing the mountain road.
>
> I too was very puzzled when I first videotaped this
> phenomenon.  I drove the road and timed it.  If you
> reveiw your tapes you will see the  light motion to
> the right, descending, matches the timing of cars
> moving about 55-60 mph. The  car headlights even
> appear to stack vertically near the top section of the
> road as it descends and turns.
>
> The observation of more frequent lights near sunset
> and sunrise could be commute traffic.
>
> This critique does not imply that the Marfa Lights are
> not real.  It does mean that the Marfa observations
> are a mix of "real" and human activity.  One has to be
> very careful in interpreting which are which if the
> phenomenon is ever to be understood.  From your
> description it appears you may have also seen some
> "real" ones.  Best to focus on those! Good luck!
>
> M. Adams
>
> --- Robertson Harpsichords
> <tsrobert@...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  I was fortunate to see and film the Marfa lights
> > about a week ago.
> >   Does anyone know where I can find a documentary on
> > this subject for sale?
> >
> > I noticed that there seemed to be a general pattern
> > to the movement and
> > color of these lights. There were some exceptions.
> > And I only saw them over
> > one night so perhaps the next day the pattern might
> > be different.
> >
> > What I noticed through binoculars and recorded on
> > videotape  was:
> >
> > 1) the white lights were always either stationary or
> > moved to the right.
> >
> > 2) the dimmer red lights always moved to the left if
> > they moved at all
> >
> > 3)A white light would originate near the left top of
> > the mountain range and
> > move on a gentle, straight downward sloping line to
> > another location near
> > the lower right. Then this light would disappear
> > along the way on and off.
> > when it reached the end of the line it would
> > disappear for good and then
> > become a red light that continued to retrace the
> > path of the white light up
> > and back to where the white light had originated .
> > This cycle would take
> > about 15 minutes approx. so the lights were moving
> > slowly. The red lights
> > appeared to travel approx. the same speed as a white
> > light and the red
> > would either momentarily merge with other white
> > lights that were passing or
> > pass through/ behind  them.
> >
> > 4) more than one light would originate at the
> > "starting point"  in the upper
> > left part of the line so that there would be
> > differently spaced white lights
> > travelling together at "random?" spacings between
> > them.
> >
> > 5) sometimes the white lights would suddenly for
> > clusters of other lights
> > around them.
> >
> > 6) Sometimes other lights would just pop up in
> > various locations and some
> > would stay stationary for long durations of about an
> > hour.
> >
> > 7) the highest number of lights were seen generally
> > before sunset, about an
> > hour after sunset, and right at dawn and after dawn.
> >
> > 8) When Driving to one side of the other on the
> > highway, the mountains and
> > houses and other physical objects would be passed by
> > and out of view yet I
> > could still see the lights appearing directly in my
> > field of view. What I am
> > trying to say is that they did not appear to be in
> > the same location
> > distance wise as the houses or mountains but rather
> > farther away.  Since it
> > takes more driving distance to put a far object out
> > of view as opposed to a
> > near object. Essentially what I saw is similar to
> > what one sees as they
> > drive along a highway and watch the moon ,  it looks
> > as if the moon has the
> > appearance of "following the car" since it is so
> > distant compared to
> > terrestrial objects.  The Marfa lights too seemed to
> > "follow the car" as if
> > they were very distant objects, yet I cannot
> > understand how this could be
> > accomplished since these lights were below the
> > horizon and thus viewed
> > always as if they were in front of the mountains.
> > This does not make seem
> > practical because how could the light from something
> > so distant be seen to
> > appear in from of a more near mountain range.  I
> > could see how this could
> > occur if the Marfa light were being bent as a
> > distant projection. An
> > unusually curved light path?
> > It is as if the mystery  lights  emanate  from an
> > unknown and very distant
> > source behind the mountains.
> >
> > 9) when driving on the highway to the east there
> > comes a point where the
> > lights are no longer visible. Then after turning the
> > car around and driving
> > back in the other direction, they become visible
> > again. -very curious . Also
> > they disappear as one gets close to them or so I
> > have heard so that if one
> > flies up to these lights in a helicopter there is a
> > point reached where the
> > lights disappear.  Further making their study
> > difficult.  And suggesting
> > that they are not physical objects. floating in the
> > air.
> >
> >
> > If anyone has experience with these lights and would
> > like to collaborate
> > observations, etc. I'm all ears..
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >  Ted
> >
> >
>
>
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