Subject: Buddens earthlight /paranormal beliefs analysed
From: "ozestrange" <ozestrange@...>
Date: 09 Jun 2002 06:27
Dear Mr Budden My apologies to the earthlight group for the following topics/ideas sometimes straying from earthlight topics. Sometimes one set of reports, sort of mingles with other reports of other paranormal/odd phenomena. I dont "have a lot of rethinking" to do.From the limited quotes/limited research/selective data etc you seem to have done I think you must be kidding me.The "new" information about Collum/Hutcheson is pretty old hat,but interesting. A lot of people with a limited understanding of aerial light phenomena seem to confuse known methods of producing light forms,and truly odd aerial light phenomena. If you think you have it all wrapped up, then please contact the following field researchers,who specialise in this field and also,unlike yourself, have scientific qualifications. They dont have the subject wrapped up at all. http://hessdalen.hiof.no/location/ http://earthfiles.com/earth301.htm Regarding "earth lights",it seems you take seriously, any phenomena,no matter how bizarre, if you believe you can somehow stretch it into your belief system. The following is a classic example. Budden Book:page 80 Eletric Ufo`s :"..a particularly 'high strangeness'case in which the witness had come extremely close to three earth lights as luminous spheres.She had reported that pencil-thin beams of light came from them and focussed upon a spot on her forehead...it had not escaped my attention that a continuation of the line that these beams made was directly on target for the pineal gland." There are no "conventional" earth light researchers/scientists in the world that would believe EL could send beams out,aimed at a persons head. Thanks for the two letters I requested.Both authors are impressed with some aspects of your GUT ideals. But... Mr Ring said regarding your GUT "I dont know if you can be said to have given a complete explanation for these experiences.." And Vallee says "However I continue to be impressed by the numerous cases where there is physical evidence of a disc shaped device that has caused physical damage in the enviroment." The interesting thing about your grand unifying theories is the following. One, they are not supported in your data.The are contradicted by other data,and most importantly,there is no GUT theory in any field of science. A GUT theory is basically a philosophical belief/desire. And the two letters you sent me stated quite clearly that they didnt believe your ideas explained everything at all,as you implied. So out of about a thousand + researchers ,world wide, you have about 20,but wait theres more.. There are far more researchers/scientists etc supporting Scientology/Om cult etc,but numbers dont mean truth . Budden 1, What was the methodology you used for your field surveys? Lets reverse this whole concept first. Since it is you claiming the terms dossimetric/field surveys etc lets peruse "electric ufo`s" and list your "dosimetric Field surveys". Case 1/measure Ians body and room,Case 2/detection of power surges in the street, Case 3/Zero Field study,Map examined Case 4/zero field study, Case 5/zero field study,Case 6/Zero field study,case 7/2 field studies ,Case 8/Zero field study Four "dosimetric studies",all described in a total of about 10 lines.You can throw around "scientific terms" as much as you like,but it still isnt science, once it examined properly. I used the tri-field meter to measure unusual magnetic fields/unusual magnetic field changes. I do this because I was also trying to find a "clear" causative link between field changes/elevations etc and video /photographic anomalies.I do not care that you think that this "ideal" is to "fulfil a quasi-religious need for him". I am not the one using my ignorance of certain classes of phenomena to glide around around them. I have no psychological make-up/vested interests etc in sticking to a rigid/mechanistic/selective ideal. For further criticsim of your "dosimetric studies"/claims etc try http://www.truthseekers.freeserve.co.uk/truth/tr18albertbudden.html Budden:"You grossly underestimated my following," The statement above is religious/cult terminology. My belief is that some "paranormal" phenomena may be either creating/or being aided by the magnetic fields in question. You quote Reiter`s work extensively,but fail to point out that ALL his conclusions about his own research are the complete opposite of your conclusions about his own work. http://www.alliancelink.com/users/avalon/m1photo.htm I notice that you mis-understood Rings work/conclusions as well. Budden:page 203-"...whereby they are able to shut out unpleasant realities by the construction of a powerful and stable inner fantasy life." Ring:"...they also come to develop an extended range of human perception beyond normally recognised limits"" Ring"..But they are apparently already sensitive to nonordinary realities". Ring uses the term "imaginal",page 219.Ring:"not as something unreal,but as something objective self existent" Ring:"I must emphasise that we are not talking about the stuff of fantasy or imagination as these terms are generally used today". Ring is clearly talking about something other than mere "inner fantasy life". Budden2 If you do not accept my discoveries about the CE4 experience, what do you think is their explanation? First lets reverse this,<again>Your reasons for the figures are Budden book/"..if the body is irradiated for an extremely prolonged period with an artifically produced field..it will be registered by the body as being not of this earth, and the literal translation of this would surely be 'extraterrestial'. And Budden book:"however,it must be stated that the precise trigger for aliens abduction experiences per se,as opposed to any other depiction of formed figures is unclear" Thats it? My "explanation".I have no "explanation" for them.I have ideas,like you,but I dont confuse vague ideas/mixed with a selective bias/slim understanding of the phenomena =3D Buddens "knowledge". My ideas about the figures are based around the work/books of Harpurs'Daimonic Reality",which deals with the historical similarities between todays "aliens" and yesterdays demons/angels etc. The books of Little"The Archetype experience"+People of the web"+Grand Illusions". Basically, I believe that most of the "real" CE4 experiences are "leakages" of archetypes from ?, into our reality. Now before you get excited,look up the original papers by Jung on archetypes. Then there are other CE4 cases that are more difficult to explain.Cahill case in Victoria with multiple cars/witnesses etc http://hometown.aol.com/praoz/zcahill/kellyhome.htm And the Koury case with bizarre dna sample left over. http://www.theozfiles.com/anomaly_investigation_group.html Also,the Nobel prize winner in chemistry Kary Mullins on page 131 ,"Dancing Naked in the Mind field" recounts a CE4 experience.Also the book by Elkin "aboriginal men of high degree" 1945,has numerous reports of figures encountered by aboriginals with the figures placing crystals inside their bodies.Sort of reminds me of "aliens inserting probes" but anyway.. Also try reading "Black Elk",William Lyon.This deals with American Indian encounters with "figures". I didnt even bother asking about the tens of thousands of reports of 'figures" that preceded emf pollution. Also try the works of DMT researchers/scientists McKenna/Rick strassman. 3. What is it exactly about the TriField meter that it does not do that you think it should do? I think it is too inexact.It is not a scientific instrument.Here is a simple way to tell if something is a scientific instrument.1/It gives precise readings ie a readout.2/it can be calibrated 3/it is used by REAL scientists in real field studies 4/Its "results" are used in published papers, in any mainstream academic paper. The trifield fails in all 4 areas. Sort of tears the old "perhaps Williams needs lights and beeping bulbs" sarcasm to shreds doesnt it tiger. I noticed you used a spectrum analyser with no results which is interesting. Also,you also seemed to have judged the tri-field on the fact that it came with 3 A4 pages of technical data,therefore its a scientific device. My video recorder comes with about 10 A4 pages. Budden:You ask me how the Electromagnetic Pollution Approach could be shown to be false. This is actually self-evident from the exposition of it in my book"ElectricUFOs". Just reverse all of the primary parameters I have set out. The above comment sounds reasonable.Ie Popper/Kuhn etc.It means that Budden accepts that if the opposite of his predictions could be found ,then his theory is wrong. But,then this appeared. Please note the last line. Budden post:So let me state here and now, for Mr Williams benefit, that the parameters I predict for such experiences as =D2alien abductions=D3, are robust and physical, and have been found to be in close association with these experiences. This statement should be absorbed before any assumptions are then made about what such factors may mean. Simply,they are there in every genuine case, whatever they may mean.Any account of an alien abduction experience that does not display these parameters IS A HOAX."<My italics> Real science makes a hypothesis,and accepts that if their is a failing in the predictions etc ,there is a problem. Thats the difference between science and your ideas. Budden Post:"He does not seem to understand what the term parameter' means. The word 'characteristic' could be used instead, or 'aspect' or 'factor'." Please read page 25 of your own book for my definition of parameters, ie,Budden: "Primary parameters:In conclusion,investigators in the field should search for the primary PARAMETERS which are associated with these EM induced consciousness effects...The following is a list of primary PARAMETERS." The 25 listed "questions" implying increased prediliction to "paranormal" claims/events etc are to all encompassing. Here are some examples.With another 8 on page 83. Thats 33 characteristics one can look for in an individual. Number 2/Are you sensitive to cigarette smoke Number 5/Are there foods/drinks that you either avoid or consume large amounts of. Number 6/did you have a happy childhood ? Number 7 Do you ever have hairs on your body stand on end,feel suddenly cold or overheated,experience tingling or numbness. Number 19/Do you have periods where you lose all concentration. Number 25/Are there any of the following features near your home:a quarry,radio mast,power lines,reservoir,HILL, military base,tv /radio station,radio ham Budden: post number 2/ "Not all 25 PARAMETERS (listed on page 28 of "Electric UFOs")were present in every case, but the core ones were," Budden: page 28 "Some people just do not have the information which is requested,or may not answer truthfully for various reasons." So,the "parameters" define the case,but not really,also we have people who give the "wrong" answer to what we(Budden) wanted.Therefore they are lying.And the final ,if they do not display these parameters they are a hoax. Perfect. Budden Book:"Use Of Controls.Over 50 subjects were selected on the basis of the exclusion of identified hotspots,ie they were not subject to EM polllution and did not live in locations with raised levels of time varying fields.Also none had experienced an MEE....Results showed that EH had not developed in the control group,who did not expereince formed figures or alien abduction..." Control groups information was the clincher in all of this,yet 9 lines are devoted to this "information". Were 50 houses actually visited/measured etc.Of course not! Normal epistemological data etc always has slight deviations in it. But none in this.! Budden post "I must begin to address this suggestion by Mr Williams by stating at the outset that "paranormal" events do not exist at all." "paranormal" events exists Albert,its just that science hasnt learnt to explain all of them yet. Budden:"So in effect, because of this continual process where "paranormal" events become understood and "normalised" by scientific investigation and research" Please read your own book "Budden...a distinction has been made between endogenous hallucination,ie imagery originating from the nervous system of the experiencer,and PLACE MEMORIES,which have been described as 'recordings'imprinted in the fabric of the building.Such "recordings" have been said to have been imbued into the enviromental water of the location,..."page 152 1/Lets cut straight to the chase.These "place memories" are a paranormal event.There is no need to obfuscate with mindless semantics about this. No sceptics groups anywhere in the world accept the above "exclamation" for a haunting report. You now advocate part of the belief system,of the very group you deride. Zero evidence is supplied to back up this idea.Budden uses a collection of hypotheses to suggest possible mechanisms. But there is a problem with this idea as well. In many cases(as Budden is aware>the apparition reacts to the presence of the observer.Budden uses an example on page 58. Budden "..The figure turned to look at him,and then walked away through the closed door.." Now if Budden is allowed to make points using anecdotal reports,<which for the sake of the argument we accept>then the reverse is also true. Report 1,from the authors files. Michelle watched the blue apparition appear in the hallway,she rubbed her eyes in disbelief,when she looked again,the blue apparition was clearly the figure of a young boy,she rubbed her eyes again<she had not been asleep>.The figure was right in front of her.Then the boy raised his hand to shake as if he wanted to shake Michell`s hand.She hid her face in her hands,and when she looked up the figure had vanished.3 months later,she learnt that a small boy had died in that very house. Report 2,from the authors files. Sharon and David Moss were eating lunch with a guest,a male figure walked passed them eating,,looked at the individuals present and then turned a corner of the house.The guest thought the figure was of a real person. Report 3 Port Arthur Prison.Numerous visitors to the old prison have complained about the behaviour/language of the staff members dressed in historical gear.The "staff members" had reacted to the movements of the visitors ,and sometimes sworn at them.Problem being, that until recently,the place HAD NO STAFF DRESSING UP IN HISTORICAL GEAR. A phone call to Port Arthur administration centre can clarify the above reports. Now this is the main problem of GUT, ie,Grand Unifying Theories. They must explain ALL cases. The probability that ALL cases that dont fit Buddens theories, being false/lies etc is zero. It only takes ONE case,world wide,in the whole of human history,and=20 bang goes the theory. It doesnt require a great skill in induction/deduction to work that one out.! But wait,there`s more. 2/EVP,Electronic Voice Phenomena. http://aspsite.tripod.com/ This is the recording of voices onto audio tapes.Now the common answer is that the tape deck is acting as a radio pickup device.But the problems is this.What happens if groups Like PYe Electronics,ex-NASA contractors etc use Faraday 3/Some crop circles. http://www.circlemakers.org/weird_shit.html Now before you get too excited,just for this example,I am referring you to a crop circle fakers page,and then you can see all the reports by sceptics,0f odd phenomena they are experiencing. 4/PK results/research."Sorrat"John Richards,1982+"The Scole Experiment"Grant and Jane Solomon 1999+"Conjuring up Phillip",Owen and Sparrow,"The Conscious Universe,by your friend Dean Radin. http://members.aol.com/Mysphyt1/yggdrasil-9/Stoney.htm http://www.wyrdsmiths.com/index.php?fid=3Dtw_pk_ux http://www.uri-geller.com/geller-effect/tge15.htm 5/Aerial light /religious phenomena,"Fatima Prophesy" Stanford 1987,with photos of "shared hallucinations"/government reports on the phenomena. 6/Animal Mutililation,"Enter the Valley"+"The Mysterious Valley".Chris O`Brien.The suggestion that it is an "electric arc" that is doing all the picking up of animals,dropping them,draining blood etc is just truly bizarre. http://shell.amigo.net/~tmv/ http://www.floridatoday.com/space/explore/stories/1997/041997a.htm 7/Near Death Experiences"The Omega Project,by Ring+"The Truth in the light" by Fenwick 8/Physic aspects some Ufo encounters"Ufo Dynamics"Schwarz 9/Discoidal ufo`s, Budden: "through the EM Pollution Approach, e.g. alien abduction experiences, "hauntings", poltergeists, SOME UFO`S" The above implies you admit that not all ufo`s can be explained by your GUT theories.<let alone any ufo`s. And of course the Vallee letter you sent me, validated this.You realise the data to support "genuine" discoidal ufo`s are to complex/voluminous etc,thats why class them as "some ufo`s",a wise move.! 10/Some earth light phenomena.Yes,some earth light/geological connections/response setc are easily explained. But not all of the phenomena is. 11/Photo/video anomalies associated with "haunted" areas.Probably<when talking about Film>a alot of the phenomena is UV related as film is UV sensitive ,outside human vision. http://www.melodief.com/ghosts/ghosts.html There are thousand of sites like the above one.Yet not a peep in the book about even one anomalous photo. How come? 12/Visions/experiences induced by Mirrors etc,ie,the work of Dr Raymond Moody,"Reunions". http://www.psychomanteum.com/books/moody_interview.htm I have just moved to Tasmania ,speak to you soon. Mike