Subject: Fw: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile??
From: "tuvpo" <andromeda@...>
Date: 10 Mar 2002 14:14
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Dear Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo,
I examine the photo that you sent.
firstly I have to say that.
in order to analyse such pictures ,it should be a an original.
I think the picture has processed before of some kind a image editor.for th=
at reason the specialty of pixels and colour originality was gone.
for these reason I could not make a healthy analyses.
shortly I can say:
"the object on the photo does not carry ALP characteristics ,so does the s=
ighting report."
the ALP sightings takes longer than yours (in general,1-15 minutes or more,=
according to the magnitude of the quake ) Also the ALPs are not movable tha=
n others.
I was interested because they are green.A friend of us has a thesis about t=
he green lights.He things that these are caused by the nuclear origin in th=
e ground.But this only a theory,but you have to investigated.
http://www.tuvpo.com/hafez/ Dr.Hafez Keypour ,Kiana Teory
I also think that there is a digital camera error (slow synchronization) in=
this photograph.Maybe, these object can be a out of focus dust particle . =
please read these article
http://www.tuvpo.com/orb/orbeng.html The ORB Phenomenon
For these reason I could not do deeper photographic analyses,if you have s=
uch things (high resolution,original) in the future you can send them to me=
.
regards
Erol Erkmen
----- Original Message -----
From: Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo
To: TUVPO1 ; Edgar Kausel, LVC ; John Derr
Cc: jaime@... ; nallende@... ; gperez@... ;=
hanka@... ; efromm@... ; *Calama UFO Center* ; Mario =
Andrade ; Sergio Barrientos
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile??
Dear Erol Erkmen,
This Photos was taken by our associate in Calama Mr. Jaime Ferrer. He was=
trying to photograph the full moon with his new digital camera. Set the ca=
mera at the roof of his home and took 4 photos at 15 second between each. H=
e did not see the "green light" during the photo section, but find it out l=
ater at his PC monitor. The camera is a digital Alfa ephoto CL18. The time:=
10:30 PM. The date: January 28, 2002. Place: Calama City, Chile.
Note: The next day Mr. Ferrer went to his roof to see if it was any stree=
t light or home light that cause the green object in his photos. He made a =
recreation showing some trees. He assume the trees cover the green light in=
the first two photos. This "green light" did not resemble any known UFO.
What is it? Hopping you find the answer,
Regards,
Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo
Miami UFO Center
http://UFOmiami.dventures.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TUVPO1 <andromeda@...>
To: Edgar Kausel, LVC <ekausel@...>; John Derr <derr@...=
sgs.gov>
Cc: jaime@... <jaime@...>; nallende@... <=
nallende@...>; gperez@... <gperez@...>; hanka=
@gfz-potsdam.de <hanka@...>; efromm@... <efromm@...=
hile.cl>; *Calama UFO Center* <calamaufocenter@...>; Mario Andrade =
<editor@...>; Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@...>; =
Sergio Barrientos <sbarrientos@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile??
dear friends ,
I read your writings and visited your web pages but I could not find an=
y relevant source for ALP's.I do not know the fault lines of your country a=
nd I don't know where the sightings have taken place.For this reason I read=
your writings but can not do and help much.
As John sad we should be ready every time.
if there are suitable documentation (good quality pictures and video fo=
otage) I'm ready to help you for the recognition of the lights.
Regards
Erol Erkmen
TUVPO
----- Original Message -----
From: John Derr
To: Edgar Kausel, LVC
Cc: jaime@... ; nallende@... ; gperez@....=
cl ; hanka@... ; efromm@... ; *Calama UFO Center* ; Ma=
rio Andrade ; Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo ; Sergio Barrientos
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile??
Dear Edgar,
You are probably aware of the strange phenomena reported in northern =
Chile recently. As someone who has studied earthquake lights for the last =
30 years, I would like to add my comments.
These luminous phenomena and strange earth movements are consistent w=
ith the hypothesis that accumulating tectonic strain is causing changes in =
underground flows of water, which then produce luminosities that are often =
earthquake precursors. Many of the phenomena reported are fanciful and may=
not have any basis in reality, but the lights, the earth movements, and mi=
ne landslides are very real and should not be ignored, simply because we do=
n't understand them.
While there is no way to quantify these effects in any way that would=
lead to a specific earthquake prediction, nevertheless they indicate to me=
a definite increase in the level of risk. I can't give you anything more =
than a vague forecast, but I would not be at all surprised to see another l=
arge earthquake in northern Chile "soon." The only measurable probably her=
e is that I may be completely wrong!
Given all the uncertainties, no one should do anything that costs mon=
ey, frightens people, or causes people to do anything unusual. While these=
luminous phenomena frequently precede larger earthquakes, the earthquakes =
actually related to them may already have occurred and now be recent histor=
y. In other words, any danger may already have passed. However, northern =
Chile is a very active earthquake area, and everyone should have made prepa=
rations for an earthquake and taken precautions long ago. No one knows whe=
n or where the next earthquake will occur, but if I lived in the area, I wo=
uld take this opportunity to check the batteries in my flashlights, and be =
sure that I had some fresh bottled water.
And, for our scientific and professional interest, this would certain=
ly be a good time to keep the LVC seismic station in good operating order!
Again, let me be very clear that this is not an earthquake prediction=
, and I do not want anyone to say that it might be. Any sensational newspa=
per stories suggesting otherwise would not be helpful to the people of the =
region. What would be helpful, and is always helpful, is for people to rev=
iew their state of earthquake preparedness.
Best regards,
John
From: "Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo" <ufomiami@...>
To: "John Derr" <derr@...>
Cc: "*Calama UFO Center*" <calamaufocenter@...>,
"Mario Andrade" <editor@...>
Subject: Re: Calama and Arica
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:40:49 -0500
Dear Dr. John S. Derr,
Enclosed is our lasted report in English. We do not have it in Span=
ish yet,
but as soon we have it we will send it to you. We are not geologist=
but we
are happy to cooperate with you. You can find our previous reports,=
with
photos, at our web page: http://UFOmiami.dventures.com
[see especially: http://ufomiami.dventures.com/eng/Underground.html =
(JSD)]
In July 2000 we traveled to Calama following reports of UFOs and Ch=
upacabras
attacks. There we created the Calama UFO Center with Mr... Jaime Fe=
rrer as
director. We usually follow reports of others strange phenomena in =
the area
and that is why we become involved in it.
In Spanish, you can directly contact our associate in Calama Mr. Ja=
ime
Ferrer, who is in charge of our field investigation at:
calamaufocenter@...
Very truly yours,
Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo
Miami UFO Center
http://UFOmiami.dventures.com
-----Original Message-----
From: John Derr <derr@...>
To: ufomiami@... <ufomiami@...>
Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:23 PM
Subject: Calama and Arica
>Dear Dr. Sanchez-Ocejo,
>
>As the operator of the Global Seismograph Network station near Cal=
ama,
>Chile ("Limon Verde," LVC), I'm particularly interested in your re=
port of
>what is clearly precursory earthquake lights (EQL), as inferred fr=
om your page
>
>http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/mar/m01-013.shtml
>
>I would like to pass this on to our colleagues in Chile, and so wo=
uld like
>to have a copy of the original report in Spanish. Can you email t=
hat to
>me? I would also be interested in other, similar reports from thi=
s area,
>in both English (for me) and Spanish (for my colleagues).
>
>Incidentally, the so-called "nuclear monitoring" project is our GS=
N
>station, which is part of the IRIS global network for earthquake a=
nd
>general geophysical research. The data are open and available in =
real-time
>on the web -- see our site, www.liss.org. More information on the =
GSN may
>be found at our general site, http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov , and at t=
he IRIS
>site, www.IRIS.edu. These data are also used for nuclear test moni=
toring,
>but that's only one of many applications. As for the optical and =
radio
>telescopes, they're in northern Chile because the dry air makes th=
e seeing
>simply fantastic. The only really strange thing is the EQL -- and=
that
>only because we haven't figured out yet what causes them.
>
>Many thanks --
>John
>
>Dr. John S. Derr, Chief "The earth is stranger
>Global Seismograph Network than we give it credit for."
>
>U.S. Geological Survey
>Albuquerque Seismological Laboratory
>801 University SE, Suite 300
>Albuquerque, NM 87106-4345 USA
>
>phone: (505) 846-7640
>fax: (505) 846-6973
>email: Derr@...
>web: http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov
>
Did UFOs Predict The Earthquake In Northern Chile?
>From Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo
Miami UFO Center
ufomiami@...
3-4-2
In wake of recent geologic phenomena in Northern Chile, such as und=
erground
fires, ground splits, and the collapse of a mining facility, a 4.3 =
Richter
scale earthquake was registered. According to the USGS National Ear=
thquake
Information Center, the earthquake took place on February 28 of 200=
2, at
approximately 06:25 (UTC). The center of the earthquake was located=
at about
80 miles northeast from the city of Calama, Chile. Further details =
about the
earthquake can be found at the USGS website:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/020228062539.html
The earthquake was felt in the areas of Chuquicamata, Maria Elena, =
and
Calama, where two children died as a result of a landslide. Despite=
warning
signs of the tremendous amount of geological activity in those area=
s, the
authorities were caught unprepared. Several underground fires have =
been
reported in the outskirts of Calama. Nearby, in Baquedano, ground f=
aults and
splits have caused city employees to evacuate the town hall buildin=
g, and
the Chilean Customs Office is on the brink of a collapse.
On the other hand, my colleagues and I were able to connect the dot=
s, and as
a precaution, we recommended our field investigator Jaime Ferrer to=
find a
good insurance company for his households and valuable items. Jaime=
lives in
Calama, minutes away from where the landslide occurred. I am not by=
any
means a geologist, nor I do not claim to have predicted the earthqu=
ake, but
it was not difficult to figure out that something of this nature wa=
s going
to happen due to what I considered to be evident warnings, such as =
the
underground fires, the buildings that were sinking and collapsing, =
the
ground splits, and curiously enough, the famous =93earthquake light=
s=94 that
have been seen by many people in the area.
Did UFOs predict the earthquake?
Recently, in the same area where the earthquake was reported, a ser=
ies of
=93mystery lights=94 have been reported at night. Several eyewitnes=
ses, among
them, a major news network journalist, have reported seeing what th=
ey
believed to be bright lights or UFOs. But could these objects be pi=
loted by
intelligent life forms, or could they be some sort of atmospheric p=
henomena?
Aside from that, could it be possible that these lights have predic=
ted the
earthquake in Northern Chile?
In 1999 a similar event, where a UFO was seen and videotaped during=
an
earthquake in Turkey, prompted the =93Turkey UFO and Paranormal Eve=
nts
Research Organization=94 to create the Anomalous Luminous Phenomena=
Project or
=93ALP=94. The purpose was to gather and present scientific evidenc=
e to prove
that these so-called earthquake lights are not UFOs, but rather nat=
ural
atmospheric phenomena that can indeed be utilized as a mean to help=
predict
earthquakes, and therefore, reduce the death toll during these cata=
strophic
events.
According to Freedman Freund, a physicist and professor at San Jose=
State
University, in California, the ALPs or earthquake lights are caused=
by
positive electrical charges generated by as the Earth=92s crust whe=
n it is
subject to massive stresses along the faults. The rock formations i=
n the
crust normally act as insulators. But under the severe stress gener=
ated
before an earthquake, these rocks may behave briefly like "p-type
semiconductors" found in diodes, transistors and computer chips, ca=
pable of
releasing massive amounts of positive charges referred to as "holes=
." These
charges move upwards toward the surface of the Earth at between 220=
and 660
mph. The charges ionize the atmosphere upon reaching the air, causi=
ng
strange effects, such as radio interference, colored lights, and br=
ight
flashes, such as the ones reported in Northern Chile. Perhaps, this=
could be
the most logical explanation for this phenomenon, or maybe a small =
piece of
the puzzle.
Nevertheless, in the case of Northern Chile, there are many factors=
to
consider. Perhaps, there are more questions than answers; in fact, =
the most
puzzling element is the underground caves and alleged cities that s=
ome
eyewitnesses claim to see. In 1990, radio talk show host and invest=
igator
Arturo Menay described how he accessed a narrow tunnel near Maria E=
lena. The
tunnel did not appear to be man-made because it was almost perfectl=
y round,
with smooth edges. According to the sources that accurately informe=
d him
about the tunnel, it leads to an underground city at approximately =
8
kilometers from the entrance. According to Menay, him and his group=
of
explorers were only able to walk about 200 meters from the entrance=
. At that
point, they decided to turn around because they heard voices that, =
according
to them, were not speaking Spanish or any other language they had h=
eard
before. On February 17 of 2002, a strange object was videotaped goi=
ng into
the water of a lake. A large body of water, such as a lake, could b=
e the
perfect element to hide the entrance to some kind of underground fa=
cility.
If these objects were indeed UFOs controlled by or intelligent bein=
gs, could
they be somehow trying to protect their underground bases from eart=
hquakes?
In addition to all of these UFOs, bright lights, ALPs or what ever =
they may
be, there are still many unexplained events taking place in Norther=
n Chile.
That particular part of the world appears to be a breeding ground f=
or UFOs
and the paranormal phenomena. We have received countless reports of=
people
seeing humanoid creatures, bright spheres, men in black (I am not t=
rying to
be controversial by mentioning this), and let us not forget about t=
he
massive numbers of dead and mutilated animals -- the most solid, an=
d yet, so
tragic evidence. Could it be possible that all of this is just part=
of a big
coincidence? Or is it perhaps some kind of mind control experiment?=
Are
there any underground cities populated by humans or other intellige=
nt
beings? Perhaps one day, we will find out. There is one thing we do=
know for
sure; despite our modern science and technology advances, our world=
is still
full of mysteries.
Jaime Ferrer
Calama UFO Center
Translation by Mario Andrade
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