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Subject: Re: Croxteth, Liverpool, UK Earth Light
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Sean wrote:

>Welcome! Rather a prestigious introduction, if the Dave Clarke you
mention is the one that I'm thinking of.>

It was the evil Doktor as some people Jokingly call him, but I am 
afraid the prestige is unwarranted because he invited everyone on 
the UFOlogy in the UK web forum 
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ufologyinuk 

Sean wrote: <My initial reaction was that the behaviour sounded like 
a flare, which is not something that you have on your list of 
interpretations. The slow downwards motion, three minute duration, 
and bright orange colour are consistent with that that; as is the 
slow lateral movement and eventual demise around the horizon.>

I had assumed that a flare would have drifted down much further over 
a period of 3 minutes. It was only just above the horizon when it 
was first spotted, so if it is a flare, I am surprised that it 
lasted so long, but this will become more obvious when you see the 
video (which I will send).

Sean wrote: <But there are also the characteristics of shape and 
colour shift, and the periodic variability in brightness, which may 
be inconsistent with that interpretation. The latter, the flashing 
of the object, may be a film artefact--did you test, for example, 
the moon as a reference object to see if it exhibited the same 
behaviour on the film?>

The short answer is no Sean, but there was certainly a good shot of 
the moon which didn't exhibit any flashing characteristic like the 
BOL that was obvious. The witnesses also describe it as rotating 
because of the variability and that includes those who were not 
looking through the viewfinder.

Sean wrote: <As for the shape and colour, I'm not sure how vivid 
these characteristics were since I've not seen the film, so it would 
indeed be great if I could see it. But even then, the observer 
reports would probably be more helpful: did they feel that it 
behaved in such a way which is inconsistent with a flare? If so, how 
so? Have they seen flares before in the area? Have they seen any 
flares before at all?>

It was pretty dark at the time (end of dusk) so the camcorder has 
compensated for the dark and made the BOL look white, the film won't 
tell you any more about the colour, so we have to rely on witness 
statements for that. As far as I know, the witnesses have never 
seen flares before.

Sean wrote: <I think there are generally two important things that 
can be done with amateur sightings of possible earth lights. 1) 
Record the event as well as possible and then submit it to as many 
cumulative anomalous incident databases as possible, rather than 
letting it be a standalone; and 2) possibly conduct further research 
in the area to see whether the event was sporadic or not, using as 
much equipment as possible to record further events in the latter 
case.>

In 1) above, please tell me where to submit. This would be 
applicable to other UFO reports I have!=20 
In 2) above, it is probably not safe to do so. The particular area 
has a problem with drugs and I wouldn't be happy roaming the area 
with expensive equipment at nighttime and slightly nervous during 
the daytime. There is also a practical limit on how long you can do 
this for. If what you are looking for is a BOL and it happens only 
once per year, there is no way that the average researcher can 
capture that by waiting for it to happen. If there is other 
research that can be done apart from sitting in the area with 
Trifield meters camcorders and the likes, please let me know what I 
can do.

Sean wrote: <Another thing that I would do, if it were a friend of 
mine that had made the sighting, is go back and ask again and again 
for more information extracting every possible detail that they can 
recall. Wind direction, approximate location, any irregularities 
with the camera, past observations by the same witnesses, the 
direction of the lateral movement, and so on, are all useful to 
know: the more info, the more value.>

They weren't my friends Sean. Much of what you ask above is self 
evident in the video and I have weather reports. The only thing I 
didn't go into a lot of detail with is past observations.

Sean wrote: <Anyway, thanks for posting this sighting and I hope my 
feedback has been of some use. I'd like to see the video if I may, 
especially if you can post a digitised version of that online 
somewhere. And welcome again to the mysterylights list!>

I ain't done with you yet buddy! I am on Yahoo mail and I am not 
sure what the maximum size of attachement is that I can send, but I 
think it is probably around 5-10 MB and with a 3.5 minute video, you 
are not going to get much quality, but I am happy to send you 
whatever you can receive and what I can transmit. A more practical 
solution is for me to send you a CD or DVD of the footage but I 
would need your snail mail address for that. Feel free to contact 
me off-list if you prefer on billbimson1@... with your 
address.

Cheers,

Bill Bimson

--
Sean B. Palmer, mysterylights.com