From jp_hailey@... Sun Sep 25 12:56:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jp_hailey@... X-Apparently-To: mysterylights@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23429 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 19:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 19:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 19:56:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 19:55:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:55:51 -0000 To: mysterylights@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5820 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 62.255.32.10 From: "jp_hailey" Subject: Re: Anomaly Archives in Austin, Texas needs On-Site Assistant Curator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199429996; y=twHu2Fs6xSm0tj-NyPgtG5ZBHbVJJH6TcALbJsjnVDBaVv2D X-Yahoo-Profile: jp_hailey Hi, is it Miles or S Miles I've become more 'used' to the idea of electrical anomolies being difficult if not impossible to 'catch'. Our equipment is still in the stone age really, and good equipment needs a huge amount of expenditure.. I know Deveraux detected magnetic changes in Mexico, and in Hessdalen they did similarly. In general at the VLF end (which is radio waves with very long wavelengths) it's populated by submarine transmitters, lightning strikes mostly from the equator, and things called 'whistlers' probably to do with the Earth's magnetic fields. So listening to VLF, it sounds like frying sausages, with beeps and other sounds from VLF transmitters. I have run vlf receivers during anomolous light events, but never saw / heard anything on VLF corresponding to the events, specifically a ball of light exploded about half a mile away, no detectable effects on my equipment. But, I think if the phenomena is large in area, such as underground volcanic or other 'energies' then what Deveraux and others detect is really there, probably from VLF radio, upwards to higher frequencies and in the magnetic field changes as well... this is Persinger's field of interest, the Planet Earth certainly does things occasionally. I do think people can be 'electrosensitive' as you call it. Several ufo or cropcircle researchers I have met are known for 'knowing' where lights are going to occur, so obviously something does change, but what is it? It's not necessarily a sensing of 'electric', more likely a psychic talent. After all, we're not 'voltmeters', our energy is in biological process and consciousness. The problem is that things like 'chi', 'telepathy' are so difficult to scientifically test for, on a one off basis. Sure, statistically those such as Targ and Puthoff can demonstrate statistical confidence that things 'are so' by doing lots of repetitive experiments. But to sit in a van in a field, as I have done, and try to catch elusive events on a 'one off' basis on equipment is difficult. Even the Hessdalen crew have spent many years monitoring without firm conclusive results as to what causes earthlights / ufo's or even what they are. Incidentally, anyone who just goes out and buys equipment, switches it on to monitor, is in for trouble. Any instrument could possibly detect things its not supposed too, exampled by the way taxicabs break through on domestic radio's (or used to!). I always tried to monitored the signals visually on an oscilloscope or computer screen, and for instance with VLF, the receiver will give really weird output sounds if tuned to a powerful submarine transmitter. These transmitters put out vast amounts of power using aerials miles long, and any overload from one of those comes through as aliens (?) ..it certainly sounds odd when you listen to it. The same qualities exist inside one's head of course! Things can happen to you, but its impossible to know if the source is inside or outside yourself. In fact, modern psychology says there is no firm edge to one's being, so its a hall of mirrors in the psyche. I accept that lights and other associated events belong to a class of things similar to ghosts, where the evidence is experiential, and scientific frameworks do badly at unravelling the nature of it all. At some time we may develop new understanding, I hope so! because we basically live in a system we only know part of, we're busy messing up the planet already, and need to change our consciousness at least, before its too late. It's to that end that I 'would' if I 'could', devote my time to consciousness things, but the support for all things solid depends on money, and we're stuck with a materialist's viewpoint usually. Regarding Albert Budden, the Tesla framework is exciting but Tesla did not fully write up his works and much of it depends on opinion, rather like the Philadelphia experiment and its alleged teleportations. People have said they have created antigravity machines, but I don't see them in the supermarket yet. I'm sympathetic to the ideas, but for instance, take alien abductions. These are absolutely real to the experiencer, in terms of memories of events, yet we don't see nuts and bolts ET spacecraft around other than as alleged craft in ufo sightings. However, I have met people afflicted by such things, and certainly weird things happen to them, specially visitations by lights! Whether Budden is right that people are sensitive to Electromagnetic radiation, I think is missing a point. Its unlikely that 'ordinary' low power EM radiation upsets our body, otherwise we'd be aware of it and always be sick when the TV is on. Equally likely is that our consciousness is sensitive to other things we don't know about, I think EM as the sole possibility is too obvious, and obscures other interesting questions that can be asked. So it begs a question (my favourite) .. are we really in a 'Matrix' type of situation, like fish in water who can't realise the water is all around them. Certainly we have created our own civilisation, and few of us ever experience the world as it really is, when trees are not trees. (Anyone unfamiliar with that, read some Carlos Castaneda books!) Its a sobering thought for instance, we are so proud of understanding (for 200 years or so!) the facts of blood circulation, but are ignorant of 'chi' energy and maybe in the West don't even believe those that say chi exists. Yet I've felt chi at work, and China has worked with chi theory for millennia.. After 56 years on the planet, I personally think the reality we experience is far from the Truth, and this truth-gap allows for existence of all the anomolous events that you for one are keeping track of. Paul