From magicalnexus@... Tue Jul 06 14:16:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: magicalnexus@... X-Apparently-To: mysterylights@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50845 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2004 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web50809.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.252) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 21:16:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20040706211610.70146.qmail@...> Received: from [63.207.13.12] by web50809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:16:10 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:16:10 -0700 (PDT) To: mysterylights@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007301c46365$15880920$4df0ef04@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.252 From: Magical Nexus Subject: Re: [mysterylights] Re: Earthlights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166743352 X-Yahoo-Profile: magicalnexus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron, I am looking over the attached link, it seems interesting. I don't think we are necessarily in conflict. It is simply a matter of making certain that science is applied to the phenomena in a vigorous and direct manner. If the research leads towards orgone energy, or subtle energy, that is fine.... the trick is making certain we arrive there in a legitimate and sequential fashion. As I read the first two parts of the paper below, I felt that there was probably not a great relationship between the little balls of light and other wierd stuff I have seen at the location in the US SouthWest and the crash of UFO-like objects in the Australian bush. I don't doubt that there is a great deal of intrique around the UFO matter, I have seen the phenomena myself and I could offer several sources of info that would solidly support that contention. My point in this discussion has been centered on the issue of credibility to build a "normal" science path, even if it leads to very unusual conclusions. By the way, I though Project Magnet was a Canadian project.?. I will finish reading this report you have sent and get back to you, I don't mind this discussion and if there are things that I am unaware of - well, thanks for calling them to my attention. Magical Nexus Ronald wrote: Magical Nexus writes: >The first steps begin with thorough protocols involving detection and >documentation. This is a huge process by itself. It requires finding and >mapping a locations, documenting all known visible light sources, >establishing mulitple observations points, establishing documentation >protocols related to filming, photoing, detecting through a host of >instrumentation, deciding which of those detections are true, analyzing >the gestalt of detections, making decisions regarding the next phase >of analysis and then executing those decisions. >This requires a number of cycles and can last years or even decades. >There are no shortcuts... A few more comments on this subject. Perhaps we can find some common ground. It might explain the lack the groundbreaking research on this topic. I feel there is considerable evidence that there are already groups who have extensive knowledge on this subject but are acting to outright stop others from obtaining it. Wilhelm Reich's research on what he called orgone energy would be one example. The US Government came down hard on Reich and a court actually ordered all his books on the subject burned, Reich died in prison, the court stated that "orgone energy does not exist". At this same time the US Governments' Project Magnet was basically researching the same energy, the declassified Canadian secret memo stated "The matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States Government, rating even higher that the A-bomb......The entire matter is considered by the United States authorities to be of tremendous significance." Reich's research did continue and lead to Bioenergy Therapies but they had to proceed without mentioning or referring to orgone energy. Harry Mason is a UK-born geologist/geophysicist living in Australia and wrote a series of articles that suggest large ALP phenomena was being produced in Australia by US earth energy experiments. http://home.nycap.rr.com/iraap2/Mason/BrightSkies.htm Mason writes there was apparently no limit the US would go to in stopping that information from being made public. He writes that Harold E Holt, Prime-minister of Australia, "reporting to family and close colleagues over the preceding days that he had discovered something about the USA, and their activities here in Australia, and their future intentions, that deeply offended and worried him. Intending to raise these issues in Cabinet, followed by Parliament on the following Monday, after his swim on the Sunday he was never seen again. The body was never found." Bruce Cathie was an airline pilot in New Zealand who was researching the earthlight/ UFO phenomena because of the many sightings he observed. He writes of the stalking and surveillance that occurred while doing his research. His book is titled "The Energy Grid". Reich felt people could become overcharged with orgone energy and these imbalances could lead to various medical and mental problems. What evidence is there that this can occur? Orgone energy can become detectable to x-rays when highly concentrated and that's exactly what was found to occur. The below web page describes how Bjorn Nordenstrom, director of the Karolinska Radiological Institute in Sweden studied this phenomena, which is an unusual spontaneous fogging of x-ray films. The below web page write: "It appears as a wispy, smoke-like or blob-like form on the x- ray images of patients, and sometimes can be seen on the monitors of airport baggage x-ray equipment. It cannot be predicted, and most radiologists consider it to be a nuisance. However, Nordenstrom studied it, and observed distinct patterns correlated to his patient's bioelectrical fields." http://www.orgonelab.org/orac_06.htm That web page also gives details on similar research and the obstacles they face, they explain the reasons for this because it's just a new concept, but the trend from the above observations may point to some larger objective. The orgone web page further wrote: "The reader will note that most, if not all, of the above researchers were hotly attacked, or isolated and ignored for their findings, irrespective of their credentials, reputations, or the amount of evidence they provided. This emotional reaction, of running away from or attacking disturbing new ideas, was explained by Reich as being the results of a specific emotional disorder, which he called the emotional plague. Virtually all scientists who have verified portions of this common natural energy principle have been assaulted by special emotional plague characters, who build their reputations not upon work or research, but upon political power, and the number of scalps they have taken. Gossip, slander, political tactics, the sneak attack, and even manipulation of the Courts and police are standard tactics of the plague. Their secret goal, like the Grand Inquisitors of the Church, is to kill disturbing new findings, and the men and women who make them. The history of science is filled with evidence for this kind of behavior. The reader is encouraged to read Reich's discussion on the emotional plague, in Character Analysis (3rd Ed.)," Ronald Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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