From andromeda@... Sun Mar 10 04:15:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: andromeda@... X-Apparently-To: mysterylights@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 12:15:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 24903 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 12:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 12:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ultratv.com) (62.248.100.253) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 12:15:34 -0000 Received: from erol [195.174.100.38] by ultratv.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF1346C70146; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:18:27 +0200 Message-ID: <009e01c1c82d$2176c580$0100a8c0@...> To: Subject: Fw: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile?? Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:14:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. From: "tuvpo" Reply-To: "tuvpo" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10993291 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for list members info: Dear Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo, I examine the photo that you sent. firstly I have to say that. in order to analyse such pictures ,it should be a an original. I think the picture has processed before of some kind a image editor.for th= at reason the specialty of pixels and colour originality was gone. for these reason I could not make a healthy analyses. shortly I can say: "the object on the photo does not carry ALP characteristics ,so does the s= ighting report." the ALP sightings takes longer than yours (in general,1-15 minutes or more,= according to the magnitude of the quake ) Also the ALPs are not movable tha= n others. I was interested because they are green.A friend of us has a thesis about t= he green lights.He things that these are caused by the nuclear origin in th= e ground.But this only a theory,but you have to investigated. http://www.tuvpo.com/hafez/ Dr.Hafez Keypour ,Kiana Teory I also think that there is a digital camera error (slow synchronization) in= this photograph.Maybe, these object can be a out of focus dust particle . = please read these article http://www.tuvpo.com/orb/orbeng.html The ORB Phenomenon For these reason I could not do deeper photographic analyses,if you have s= uch things (high resolution,original) in the future you can send them to me= . regards Erol Erkmen ----- Original Message ----- From: Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo To: TUVPO1 ; Edgar Kausel, LVC ; John Derr Cc: jaime@... ; nallende@... ; gperez@... ;= hanka@... ; efromm@... ; *Calama UFO Center* ; Mario = Andrade ; Sergio Barrientos Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: Re: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile?? Dear Erol Erkmen, This Photos was taken by our associate in Calama Mr. Jaime Ferrer. He was= trying to photograph the full moon with his new digital camera. Set the ca= mera at the roof of his home and took 4 photos at 15 second between each. H= e did not see the "green light" during the photo section, but find it out l= ater at his PC monitor. The camera is a digital Alfa ephoto CL18. The time:= 10:30 PM. The date: January 28, 2002. Place: Calama City, Chile. Note: The next day Mr. Ferrer went to his roof to see if it was any stree= t light or home light that cause the green object in his photos. He made a = recreation showing some trees. He assume the trees cover the green light in= the first two photos. This "green light" did not resemble any known UFO. What is it? Hopping you find the answer, Regards, Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo Miami UFO Center http://UFOmiami.dventures.com -----Original Message----- From: TUVPO1 To: Edgar Kausel, LVC ; John Derr Cc: jaime@... ; nallende@... <= nallende@...>; gperez@... ; hanka= @gfz-potsdam.de ; efromm@... ; *Calama UFO Center* ; Mario Andrade = ; Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo ; = Sergio Barrientos Date: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: Re: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile?? dear friends , I read your writings and visited your web pages but I could not find an= y relevant source for ALP's.I do not know the fault lines of your country a= nd I don't know where the sightings have taken place.For this reason I read= your writings but can not do and help much. As John sad we should be ready every time. if there are suitable documentation (good quality pictures and video fo= otage) I'm ready to help you for the recognition of the lights. Regards Erol Erkmen TUVPO ----- Original Message ----- From: John Derr To: Edgar Kausel, LVC Cc: jaime@... ; nallende@... ; gperez@....= cl ; hanka@... ; efromm@... ; *Calama UFO Center* ; Ma= rio Andrade ; Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo ; Sergio Barrientos Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: precursory earthquake lights in northern Chile?? Dear Edgar, You are probably aware of the strange phenomena reported in northern = Chile recently. As someone who has studied earthquake lights for the last = 30 years, I would like to add my comments. These luminous phenomena and strange earth movements are consistent w= ith the hypothesis that accumulating tectonic strain is causing changes in = underground flows of water, which then produce luminosities that are often = earthquake precursors. Many of the phenomena reported are fanciful and may= not have any basis in reality, but the lights, the earth movements, and mi= ne landslides are very real and should not be ignored, simply because we do= n't understand them. While there is no way to quantify these effects in any way that would= lead to a specific earthquake prediction, nevertheless they indicate to me= a definite increase in the level of risk. I can't give you anything more = than a vague forecast, but I would not be at all surprised to see another l= arge earthquake in northern Chile "soon." The only measurable probably her= e is that I may be completely wrong! Given all the uncertainties, no one should do anything that costs mon= ey, frightens people, or causes people to do anything unusual. While these= luminous phenomena frequently precede larger earthquakes, the earthquakes = actually related to them may already have occurred and now be recent histor= y. In other words, any danger may already have passed. However, northern = Chile is a very active earthquake area, and everyone should have made prepa= rations for an earthquake and taken precautions long ago. No one knows whe= n or where the next earthquake will occur, but if I lived in the area, I wo= uld take this opportunity to check the batteries in my flashlights, and be = sure that I had some fresh bottled water. And, for our scientific and professional interest, this would certain= ly be a good time to keep the LVC seismic station in good operating order! Again, let me be very clear that this is not an earthquake prediction= , and I do not want anyone to say that it might be. Any sensational newspa= per stories suggesting otherwise would not be helpful to the people of the = region. What would be helpful, and is always helpful, is for people to rev= iew their state of earthquake preparedness. Best regards, John From: "Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo" To: "John Derr" Cc: "*Calama UFO Center*" , "Mario Andrade" Subject: Re: Calama and Arica Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:40:49 -0500 Dear Dr. John S. Derr, Enclosed is our lasted report in English. We do not have it in Span= ish yet, but as soon we have it we will send it to you. We are not geologist= but we are happy to cooperate with you. You can find our previous reports,= with photos, at our web page: http://UFOmiami.dventures.com [see especially: http://ufomiami.dventures.com/eng/Underground.html = (JSD)] In July 2000 we traveled to Calama following reports of UFOs and Ch= upacabras attacks. There we created the Calama UFO Center with Mr... Jaime Fe= rrer as director. We usually follow reports of others strange phenomena in = the area and that is why we become involved in it. In Spanish, you can directly contact our associate in Calama Mr. Ja= ime Ferrer, who is in charge of our field investigation at: calamaufocenter@... Very truly yours, Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo Miami UFO Center http://UFOmiami.dventures.com -----Original Message----- From: John Derr To: ufomiami@... Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Calama and Arica >Dear Dr. Sanchez-Ocejo, > >As the operator of the Global Seismograph Network station near Cal= ama, >Chile ("Limon Verde," LVC), I'm particularly interested in your re= port of >what is clearly precursory earthquake lights (EQL), as inferred fr= om your page > >http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/mar/m01-013.shtml > >I would like to pass this on to our colleagues in Chile, and so wo= uld like >to have a copy of the original report in Spanish. Can you email t= hat to >me? I would also be interested in other, similar reports from thi= s area, >in both English (for me) and Spanish (for my colleagues). > >Incidentally, the so-called "nuclear monitoring" project is our GS= N >station, which is part of the IRIS global network for earthquake a= nd >general geophysical research. The data are open and available in = real-time >on the web -- see our site, www.liss.org. More information on the = GSN may >be found at our general site, http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov , and at t= he IRIS >site, www.IRIS.edu. These data are also used for nuclear test moni= toring, >but that's only one of many applications. As for the optical and = radio >telescopes, they're in northern Chile because the dry air makes th= e seeing >simply fantastic. The only really strange thing is the EQL -- and= that >only because we haven't figured out yet what causes them. > >Many thanks -- >John > >Dr. John S. Derr, Chief "The earth is stranger >Global Seismograph Network than we give it credit for." > >U.S. Geological Survey >Albuquerque Seismological Laboratory >801 University SE, Suite 300 >Albuquerque, NM 87106-4345 USA > >phone: (505) 846-7640 >fax: (505) 846-6973 >email: Derr@... >web: http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov > Did UFOs Predict The Earthquake In Northern Chile? >From Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo Miami UFO Center ufomiami@... 3-4-2 In wake of recent geologic phenomena in Northern Chile, such as und= erground fires, ground splits, and the collapse of a mining facility, a 4.3 = Richter scale earthquake was registered. According to the USGS National Ear= thquake Information Center, the earthquake took place on February 28 of 200= 2, at approximately 06:25 (UTC). The center of the earthquake was located= at about 80 miles northeast from the city of Calama, Chile. Further details = about the earthquake can be found at the USGS website: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/020228062539.html The earthquake was felt in the areas of Chuquicamata, Maria Elena, = and Calama, where two children died as a result of a landslide. Despite= warning signs of the tremendous amount of geological activity in those area= s, the authorities were caught unprepared. Several underground fires have = been reported in the outskirts of Calama. Nearby, in Baquedano, ground f= aults and splits have caused city employees to evacuate the town hall buildin= g, and the Chilean Customs Office is on the brink of a collapse. On the other hand, my colleagues and I were able to connect the dot= s, and as a precaution, we recommended our field investigator Jaime Ferrer to= find a good insurance company for his households and valuable items. Jaime= lives in Calama, minutes away from where the landslide occurred. I am not by= any means a geologist, nor I do not claim to have predicted the earthqu= ake, but it was not difficult to figure out that something of this nature wa= s going to happen due to what I considered to be evident warnings, such as = the underground fires, the buildings that were sinking and collapsing, = the ground splits, and curiously enough, the famous =93earthquake light= s=94 that have been seen by many people in the area. Did UFOs predict the earthquake? Recently, in the same area where the earthquake was reported, a ser= ies of =93mystery lights=94 have been reported at night. Several eyewitnes= ses, among them, a major news network journalist, have reported seeing what th= ey believed to be bright lights or UFOs. But could these objects be pi= loted by intelligent life forms, or could they be some sort of atmospheric p= henomena? Aside from that, could it be possible that these lights have predic= ted the earthquake in Northern Chile? In 1999 a similar event, where a UFO was seen and videotaped during= an earthquake in Turkey, prompted the =93Turkey UFO and Paranormal Eve= nts Research Organization=94 to create the Anomalous Luminous Phenomena= Project or =93ALP=94. The purpose was to gather and present scientific evidenc= e to prove that these so-called earthquake lights are not UFOs, but rather nat= ural atmospheric phenomena that can indeed be utilized as a mean to help= predict earthquakes, and therefore, reduce the death toll during these cata= strophic events. According to Freedman Freund, a physicist and professor at San Jose= State University, in California, the ALPs or earthquake lights are caused= by positive electrical charges generated by as the Earth=92s crust whe= n it is subject to massive stresses along the faults. The rock formations i= n the crust normally act as insulators. But under the severe stress gener= ated before an earthquake, these rocks may behave briefly like "p-type semiconductors" found in diodes, transistors and computer chips, ca= pable of releasing massive amounts of positive charges referred to as "holes= ." These charges move upwards toward the surface of the Earth at between 220= and 660 mph. The charges ionize the atmosphere upon reaching the air, causi= ng strange effects, such as radio interference, colored lights, and br= ight flashes, such as the ones reported in Northern Chile. Perhaps, this= could be the most logical explanation for this phenomenon, or maybe a small = piece of the puzzle. Nevertheless, in the case of Northern Chile, there are many factors= to consider. Perhaps, there are more questions than answers; in fact, = the most puzzling element is the underground caves and alleged cities that s= ome eyewitnesses claim to see. In 1990, radio talk show host and invest= igator Arturo Menay described how he accessed a narrow tunnel near Maria E= lena. The tunnel did not appear to be man-made because it was almost perfectl= y round, with smooth edges. According to the sources that accurately informe= d him about the tunnel, it leads to an underground city at approximately = 8 kilometers from the entrance. According to Menay, him and his group= of explorers were only able to walk about 200 meters from the entrance= . At that point, they decided to turn around because they heard voices that, = according to them, were not speaking Spanish or any other language they had h= eard before. On February 17 of 2002, a strange object was videotaped goi= ng into the water of a lake. A large body of water, such as a lake, could b= e the perfect element to hide the entrance to some kind of underground fa= cility. If these objects were indeed UFOs controlled by or intelligent bein= gs, could they be somehow trying to protect their underground bases from eart= hquakes? In addition to all of these UFOs, bright lights, ALPs or what ever = they may be, there are still many unexplained events taking place in Norther= n Chile. That particular part of the world appears to be a breeding ground f= or UFOs and the paranormal phenomena. We have received countless reports of= people seeing humanoid creatures, bright spheres, men in black (I am not t= rying to be controversial by mentioning this), and let us not forget about t= he massive numbers of dead and mutilated animals -- the most solid, an= d yet, so tragic evidence. Could it be possible that all of this is just part= of a big coincidence? Or is it perhaps some kind of mind control experiment?= Are there any underground cities populated by humans or other intellige= nt beings? Perhaps one day, we will find out. There is one thing we do= know for sure; despite our modern science and technology advances, our world= is still full of mysteries. Jaime Ferrer Calama UFO Center Translation by Mario Andrade [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]